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	<title>Comments on: American Astroturfing vs. Chinese Astroturfing</title>
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		<title>By: taiwanupdates &#187; China&#8217;s &#8220;50 Cent Party&#8221; changing opinions on the net.</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-7167</link>
		<dc:creator>taiwanupdates &#187; China&#8217;s &#8220;50 Cent Party&#8221; changing opinions on the net.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Economic Review, in which Hu Jintao admits to utilizing. It was also reported by the Guardian, the China Vortex, and the New York Times in completely different [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Economic Review, in which Hu Jintao admits to utilizing. It was also reported by the Guardian, the China Vortex, and the New York Times in completely different [...]</p>
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		<title>By: McCain &#8216;Pays&#8217; Bloggers to Say Nice Things &#171; naked candidate</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-4340</link>
		<dc:creator>McCain &#8216;Pays&#8217; Bloggers to Say Nice Things &#171; naked candidate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is a tactic called Astroturfing and: Rule No. 1 of astroturfing is “Don’t get caught doing it”. This means you should set up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is a tactic called Astroturfing and: Rule No. 1 of astroturfing is “Don’t get caught doing it”. This means you should set up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Newest Industry To Be Crowdsourced? Internet Censorship &#124; My Best Blogroll</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-4299</link>
		<dc:creator>Newest Industry To Be Crowdsourced? Internet Censorship &#124; My Best Blogroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of legal troubles. Further, as has happened in the United States when &quot;astroturf&quot; campaigns are uncovered, will the knowledge that pro-government web content is potentially paid make it less compelling to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of legal troubles. Further, as has happened in the United States when &#8220;astroturf&#8221; campaigns are uncovered, will the knowledge that pro-government web content is potentially paid make it less compelling to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daai Tou Laam Diary</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-4115</link>
		<dc:creator>Daai Tou Laam Diary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Government Funded Third Party Propaganda...&lt;/strong&gt;

Ironically I come across a post exposing Chinese PR tactics via Kaiser Kuo&#039;s OGILVY blog. This is a mention that the Far Eastern Economic Review&#039;s article on Chinese patriotic astroturfing the internet is now freed from the pay per view wall and free...</description>
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<p>Ironically I come across a post exposing Chinese PR tactics via Kaiser Kuo&#8217;s OGILVY blog. This is a mention that the Far Eastern Economic Review&#8217;s article on Chinese patriotic astroturfing the internet is now freed from the pay per view wall and free&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FEER piece on 50 Cent Party now FREE</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-4090</link>
		<dc:creator>FEER piece on 50 Cent Party now FREE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been written and otherwise discussed all over the Chinese blogosphere about the so-called &#8220;50 cent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been written and otherwise discussed all over the Chinese blogosphere about the so-called &#8220;50 cent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Telecom Policy Blog Aggregator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newest Industry To Be Crowdsourced? Internet Censorship</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-4008</link>
		<dc:creator>Telecom Policy Blog Aggregator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Newest Industry To Be Crowdsourced? Internet Censorship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of legal troubles. Further, as has happened in the United States when &quot;astroturf&quot; campaigns are uncovered, will the knowledge that pro-government web content is potentially paid make it less compelling to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of legal troubles. Further, as has happened in the United States when &#8220;astroturf&#8221; campaigns are uncovered, will the knowledge that pro-government web content is potentially paid make it less compelling to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Liu</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-3857</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like this claim of government sposored shill is originated from internet rumors and unsubstantiated claims. Very convincing.

The Jack Caferty thing, come on, is by and large efforts of overseas Chinese. I find the insinuation insulting, both as an outraged Asian-American who took action, as well as reader of anti-CNN, a grassroot site that has made it&#039;s funding very clear.

Just to be clear nobody is paying me to post this. Frankly 7 cents ain&#039;t gonna cut it. Gas is almost 4 bucks a gallon in Seattle. BTW I&#039;m not from mainland China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like this claim of government sposored shill is originated from internet rumors and unsubstantiated claims. Very convincing.</p>
<p>The Jack Caferty thing, come on, is by and large efforts of overseas Chinese. I find the insinuation insulting, both as an outraged Asian-American who took action, as well as reader of anti-CNN, a grassroot site that has made it&#8217;s funding very clear.</p>
<p>Just to be clear nobody is paying me to post this. Frankly 7 cents ain&#8217;t gonna cut it. Gas is almost 4 bucks a gallon in Seattle. BTW I&#8217;m not from mainland China.</p>
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		<title>By: Hemulen</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-3831</link>
		<dc:creator>Hemulen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul

Interesting distinction, but is it meaningful? If the government that engages in what you call &quot;astroturfing&quot; is also responsible for censoring dissenting opinions, where is the need for this extra distinction? It looks like hair splitting to me. And you don&#039;t seem to suggest that the Chinese government should drop censorship and influence opinions by subtler methods instead...</description>
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<p>Interesting distinction, but is it meaningful? If the government that engages in what you call &#8220;astroturfing&#8221; is also responsible for censoring dissenting opinions, where is the need for this extra distinction? It looks like hair splitting to me. And you don&#8217;t seem to suggest that the Chinese government should drop censorship and influence opinions by subtler methods instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-3828</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.  It is important to stay clear on what censorship really is and you are correct in pointing out that government spin is not it.

Dans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinalawblog.com/2008/07/china_preolympic_shutdowns_no.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;China Pre-Olympic Shutdowns. No Juice = No Product.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.  It is important to stay clear on what censorship really is and you are correct in pointing out that government spin is not it.</p>
<p>Dans last blog post..<a href="http://www.chinalawblog.com/2008/07/china_preolympic_shutdowns_no.html" rel="nofollow">China Pre-Olympic Shutdowns. No Juice = No Product.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Imagethief : Don't conflate censorship with astroturfing...</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/07/american-astroturfing-vs-chinese-astroturfing/comment-page-1/#comment-3822</link>
		<dc:creator>Imagethief : Don't conflate censorship with astroturfing...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ...says Paul Denlinger at China Vortex, reacting to Thomas Crampton&#039;s recent online video discussion with Oiwan Lam on the 50 Cent Tribe:The biggest difference between astroturfing and censorship: astroturfing is a PR term and censorship is a political term. Astroturfing is a PR tactic which can be used for either political or commercial ends; censorship is always used for political ends. Using censorship with reference to China is a politically charged term because many critics of Chinese government policy like to use it to satisfy their own political agendas. Other people are entitled to their own political views re Chinese government policy, just as I’m entitled to mine. Everybody has a right to their own opinions. What I do criticize is abuse of terminology in order to score political points when in fact what is being used is a PR tactic.Imagethief has a lot of time for Oiwan Lam and also enjoys Thomas Crampton&#039;s blog. But Paul has an interesting point.&#160;  Filed under: China, Technology, Public Relations and Media, Censorship [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;says Paul Denlinger at China Vortex, reacting to Thomas Crampton&#8217;s recent online video discussion with Oiwan Lam on the 50 Cent Tribe:The biggest difference between astroturfing and censorship: astroturfing is a PR term and censorship is a political term. Astroturfing is a PR tactic which can be used for either political or commercial ends; censorship is always used for political ends. Using censorship with reference to China is a politically charged term because many critics of Chinese government policy like to use it to satisfy their own political agendas. Other people are entitled to their own political views re Chinese government policy, just as I’m entitled to mine. Everybody has a right to their own opinions. What I do criticize is abuse of terminology in order to score political points when in fact what is being used is a PR tactic.Imagethief has a lot of time for Oiwan Lam and also enjoys Thomas Crampton&#8217;s blog. But Paul has an interesting point.&nbsp;  Filed under: China, Technology, Public Relations and Media, Censorship [...]</p>
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