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		<title>By: Raynoch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raynoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the smart thniikng we could all benefit from.</description>
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		<title>By: irie82</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-4223</link>
		<dc:creator>irie82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may not remember this bit of trivial, but the USA fought against the Japanese in WWII ... including in China (Flying Tigers were there before Pearl Harbor). Yet, Chairman Mao -- despite the PRC&#039;s best efforts to disguise this fact by fueling modern anti-Japanese hatred -- signed a non-aggression treaty with the Imperial Japanese. Thus, if Japan won -- 1/2 to them, and another half to the Communists. Well, that did not happen obviously and Mao eventually defeated a battle weary military to form the PRC .. you know, THE SAME OUTFIT STILL IN POWER TODAY. And don&#039;t forget, the PRC surprised attacked USA and United Nations troops in South Korea -- troops sent there to assist the S. Koreans who were invaded by North Korea. Yet, the so-called easily offended Chinese who constantly demand apologies for stupid stuff, have yet to apologize for these HORRIFIC outlaw actions. This is why there&#039;s still a surprisingly large segment of Americans that consider the PRC -- not the Chinese people -- their ENEMY.

I have been to China on several occasions (and do business with some good folks over there); yet, I remain SHOCKED at how many highly educated people in China still refuse to believe the truth about Mao -- who BTW is listed in almost every history book in the world (outside of China and that other objective state{sic} North Korea) as the 3rd greatest mass murderer of the 20th Century (Hitler 1, Stalin 2, Mao 3). So, don&#039;t you think there might be a correlation to this BRAINWASHING (and yes my friend -- that&#039;s what it is) and the fact that today&#039;s government remains the PRC. Funny -- seems like the PRC needs to practice what they preach ... i.e., Japanese apologies -- after all, they were essentially on the same side -- and this is historical fact. 

Having now acknowleded a few OVERLOOKED truths -- now can&#039;t you see why  the western press (WHICH BTW is not censored unlike the PRC) sees the PRC government as HYPOCRITES. And while they are most definitely more moderate today in many areas thankfully, the fact is China still remains one of the world&#039;s most restrictive societies and greatest human rights abusers ... and polluters -- DUH. 

And finally, to those that suggest that China&#039;s recent economic success would not have been possible without the infrastructure Mao helped instill .... would that not be like crediting Hitler for Germany&#039;s success the past few decades ... after all, he built the Autobaum and helped design the Volkswagon Beetle? 

It really is that simple my friend -- as long as a government formed by a mass murdere stays in power, the world will never stop being hyper-critical. Unfortunately, the boys in Beijing know this all to well -- thus, FREE ELECTIONS MEANS THE END OF THEM AND THE PRC. Simply look at the old Soviet Union .... I

FACT IS -- the truth will set you free. But unfortunately, people that have never experienced real freedom -- as in China -- have no clue how clear the world and their mind becomes void of censorship and propaganda. And you my friend, despite having intelligence I believe, have not developed the ability to objectively look at facts. And the fact is  ...  you can put lipstick and rouge on a sow and name her Monique&#039; (as you&#039;ve done with Mao and the PRC government), but when all is said and done -- she&#039;s still just a pig. So, why are you so afraid of being free -- as in REALLY free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not remember this bit of trivial, but the USA fought against the Japanese in WWII &#8230; including in China (Flying Tigers were there before Pearl Harbor). Yet, Chairman Mao &#8212; despite the PRC&#8217;s best efforts to disguise this fact by fueling modern anti-Japanese hatred &#8212; signed a non-aggression treaty with the Imperial Japanese. Thus, if Japan won &#8212; 1/2 to them, and another half to the Communists. Well, that did not happen obviously and Mao eventually defeated a battle weary military to form the PRC .. you know, THE SAME OUTFIT STILL IN POWER TODAY. And don&#8217;t forget, the PRC surprised attacked USA and United Nations troops in South Korea &#8212; troops sent there to assist the S. Koreans who were invaded by North Korea. Yet, the so-called easily offended Chinese who constantly demand apologies for stupid stuff, have yet to apologize for these HORRIFIC outlaw actions. This is why there&#8217;s still a surprisingly large segment of Americans that consider the PRC &#8212; not the Chinese people &#8212; their ENEMY.</p>
<p>I have been to China on several occasions (and do business with some good folks over there); yet, I remain SHOCKED at how many highly educated people in China still refuse to believe the truth about Mao &#8212; who BTW is listed in almost every history book in the world (outside of China and that other objective state{sic} North Korea) as the 3rd greatest mass murderer of the 20th Century (Hitler 1, Stalin 2, Mao 3). So, don&#8217;t you think there might be a correlation to this BRAINWASHING (and yes my friend &#8212; that&#8217;s what it is) and the fact that today&#8217;s government remains the PRC. Funny &#8212; seems like the PRC needs to practice what they preach &#8230; i.e., Japanese apologies &#8212; after all, they were essentially on the same side &#8212; and this is historical fact. </p>
<p>Having now acknowleded a few OVERLOOKED truths &#8212; now can&#8217;t you see why  the western press (WHICH BTW is not censored unlike the PRC) sees the PRC government as HYPOCRITES. And while they are most definitely more moderate today in many areas thankfully, the fact is China still remains one of the world&#8217;s most restrictive societies and greatest human rights abusers &#8230; and polluters &#8212; DUH. </p>
<p>And finally, to those that suggest that China&#8217;s recent economic success would not have been possible without the infrastructure Mao helped instill &#8230;. would that not be like crediting Hitler for Germany&#8217;s success the past few decades &#8230; after all, he built the Autobaum and helped design the Volkswagon Beetle? </p>
<p>It really is that simple my friend &#8212; as long as a government formed by a mass murdere stays in power, the world will never stop being hyper-critical. Unfortunately, the boys in Beijing know this all to well &#8212; thus, FREE ELECTIONS MEANS THE END OF THEM AND THE PRC. Simply look at the old Soviet Union &#8230;. I</p>
<p>FACT IS &#8212; the truth will set you free. But unfortunately, people that have never experienced real freedom &#8212; as in China &#8212; have no clue how clear the world and their mind becomes void of censorship and propaganda. And you my friend, despite having intelligence I believe, have not developed the ability to objectively look at facts. And the fact is  &#8230;  you can put lipstick and rouge on a sow and name her Monique&#8217; (as you&#8217;ve done with Mao and the PRC government), but when all is said and done &#8212; she&#8217;s still just a pig. So, why are you so afraid of being free &#8212; as in REALLY free?</p>
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		<title>By: sh</title>
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		<dc:creator>sh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OP writes a rant and the anti-china crowd jumps on it, how wonderful.

My favourite quote:

Andy Raynor said,
&quot;Perhaps if the Chinese professional and amateur punditry could move beyond this infantile rhetoric of debate with foreigners we would be more willing to listen to your views.&quot;

If professional and amateur punditry in the &quot;west&#039; could move beyond demonizing, dismissing others as apologists, ending the condescending and patronizing tones, stop generalizing and gain a decent amount of knowledge about china rather than shoot their mouths off then there would be less animosity among the chinese crowd towards &quot;westerners&quot; and we would all be able to have intelligent debates. However both sides love their own playbook a bit too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OP writes a rant and the anti-china crowd jumps on it, how wonderful.</p>
<p>My favourite quote:</p>
<p>Andy Raynor said,<br />
&#8220;Perhaps if the Chinese professional and amateur punditry could move beyond this infantile rhetoric of debate with foreigners we would be more willing to listen to your views.&#8221;</p>
<p>If professional and amateur punditry in the &#8220;west&#8217; could move beyond demonizing, dismissing others as apologists, ending the condescending and patronizing tones, stop generalizing and gain a decent amount of knowledge about china rather than shoot their mouths off then there would be less animosity among the chinese crowd towards &#8220;westerners&#8221; and we would all be able to have intelligent debates. However both sides love their own playbook a bit too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest Post: China: After the Earthquake, Before The Olympics</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-4084</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Post: China: After the Earthquake, Before The Olympics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] China is standing at a crossroads. While the Chinese have enjoyed an unprecedented growth in wealth and basic human rights, including [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SinaSource</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-2636</link>
		<dc:creator>SinaSource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent idea.  Let us begin now and anew, and praise friendship that creates understanding.

I send you my best wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent idea.  Let us begin now and anew, and praise friendship that creates understanding.</p>
<p>I send you my best wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Winser</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-2618</link>
		<dc:creator>Winser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sinasource
something happened in US is difficult to understand  for me . 
Of course there must be something you cant understand happened in China.
Human cant understand everything in the world, why dont accept it.
and we are two different countries.we need time to know each other.
not 1 year, maybe 10 years or more.
yeah,it is difficult.
so,many specialist begin to set up a bridge
to help us communicate well.
you can see some groups in facebook,
some blogs and some website.
it is a good place to understand each other.
to face the difference.
to try to accept each other.

lets be friends.
it is a web 2.0 era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sinasource<br />
something happened in US is difficult to understand  for me .<br />
Of course there must be something you cant understand happened in China.<br />
Human cant understand everything in the world, why dont accept it.<br />
and we are two different countries.we need time to know each other.<br />
not 1 year, maybe 10 years or more.<br />
yeah,it is difficult.<br />
so,many specialist begin to set up a bridge<br />
to help us communicate well.<br />
you can see some groups in facebook,<br />
some blogs and some website.<br />
it is a good place to understand each other.<br />
to face the difference.<br />
to try to accept each other.</p>
<p>lets be friends.<br />
it is a web 2.0 era.</p>
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		<title>By: SinaSource</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-2615</link>
		<dc:creator>SinaSource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this, of course, Winser is a major problem:  your sense that there are levels of people and their understanding--that someone who disagrees with you is &quot;not at your level&quot; and that you are at a &quot;high level&quot; simply because you said something and because I disagree, I lack sophistication.

Down that path is madness--racial superiority, for example, and all that it breeds.

Or do I misread you and where you currently reside?  For I have met a number of Chinese who are, like so many Chinese I know, fine people and wonderfully warm.  They have delightful and praiseworthy statements to make about China--their homeland.  They tell me it is changing and positively.

But the thing is this, Winser:  they praise China, critizie their adopted home, and all the while holding citizenship outside of China and with no intention at all of ever returning.  

Of course they are allowed to do so.  I just do not understand why they love their China but chose to leave it and live elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this, of course, Winser is a major problem:  your sense that there are levels of people and their understanding&#8211;that someone who disagrees with you is &#8220;not at your level&#8221; and that you are at a &#8220;high level&#8221; simply because you said something and because I disagree, I lack sophistication.</p>
<p>Down that path is madness&#8211;racial superiority, for example, and all that it breeds.</p>
<p>Or do I misread you and where you currently reside?  For I have met a number of Chinese who are, like so many Chinese I know, fine people and wonderfully warm.  They have delightful and praiseworthy statements to make about China&#8211;their homeland.  They tell me it is changing and positively.</p>
<p>But the thing is this, Winser:  they praise China, critizie their adopted home, and all the while holding citizenship outside of China and with no intention at all of ever returning.  </p>
<p>Of course they are allowed to do so.  I just do not understand why they love their China but chose to leave it and live elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Winser</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-2591</link>
		<dc:creator>Winser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@SinaSource
我没说过我不喜欢批评，相反我很欢迎中肯的批评，但是，对于那些心怀诡异的，居心叵测的，具有人身攻击的批评，我完全不接受。
另外我不是很想和你讨论中国人为什么在美国使馆前的游行，说这些事情对于你我的感情一点好处都没有。原因很复杂，在这里，我们几个人不能很快说清楚。政治因素，经济因素，军事因素，文化因素等等，而且不同层面又有不同的理解。我希望你站的层面比我高，这样我可以学习到一些东西。但是，看到你以前的回复，我并没有发现这点，相反，感觉你的分析能力，辨别能力，判断能力有点低。不好意思，我个人感觉，希望别人对你有更多了解。
又看了一下你上面的回复（好几条），我还想说一句，你的断章取义，偷换概念的功夫很厉害，而且，你还盲目自大，藐视一切。希望你不是这样的人，但是你的回复太令人伤心了。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SinaSource<br />
我没说过我不喜欢批评，相反我很欢迎中肯的批评，但是，对于那些心怀诡异的，居心叵测的，具有人身攻击的批评，我完全不接受。<br />
另外我不是很想和你讨论中国人为什么在美国使馆前的游行，说这些事情对于你我的感情一点好处都没有。原因很复杂，在这里，我们几个人不能很快说清楚。政治因素，经济因素，军事因素，文化因素等等，而且不同层面又有不同的理解。我希望你站的层面比我高，这样我可以学习到一些东西。但是，看到你以前的回复，我并没有发现这点，相反，感觉你的分析能力，辨别能力，判断能力有点低。不好意思，我个人感觉，希望别人对你有更多了解。<br />
又看了一下你上面的回复（好几条），我还想说一句，你的断章取义，偷换概念的功夫很厉害，而且，你还盲目自大，藐视一切。希望你不是这样的人，但是你的回复太令人伤心了。</p>
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		<title>By: SinaSource</title>
		<link>http://www.chinavortex.com/2008/06/how-chinese-society-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-2566</link>
		<dc:creator>SinaSource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Winser, some people feel that the author did say something wrong.  It is called dialogue and discussion.  Simply because someone says something does not make it true, even if you agree with it.  

Sorry that you do not like criticism, though I suspect that if you were criticizing the US, that would be fine.  Especially if you are like so many people in China, you criticize the US and then march off to the American embassy to line up for a visa to study or work there.  I think that is called hypocrisy or a double-standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Winser, some people feel that the author did say something wrong.  It is called dialogue and discussion.  Simply because someone says something does not make it true, even if you agree with it.  </p>
<p>Sorry that you do not like criticism, though I suspect that if you were criticizing the US, that would be fine.  Especially if you are like so many people in China, you criticize the US and then march off to the American embassy to line up for a visa to study or work there.  I think that is called hypocrisy or a double-standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Winser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all the comments have no difference. I saw nothing but criticize and harsh words. sorry for that. why are you have such feeling? did the author say something wrong indeed? or you guys just want to show off your so-called understanding of China affairs. actually,I dont like people always criticized others, at all. you are not a listener at least. it is no good to communicate each other.

Please read it again. the author is telling that China is changing. totally, i agree with that. and changed every day.

the only question is. mainland China use 多元化 too. but not 多角化, as i know. thanks to Paul. always inspire me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all the comments have no difference. I saw nothing but criticize and harsh words. sorry for that. why are you have such feeling? did the author say something wrong indeed? or you guys just want to show off your so-called understanding of China affairs. actually,I dont like people always criticized others, at all. you are not a listener at least. it is no good to communicate each other.</p>
<p>Please read it again. the author is telling that China is changing. totally, i agree with that. and changed every day.</p>
<p>the only question is. mainland China use 多元化 too. but not 多角化, as i know. thanks to Paul. always inspire me.</p>
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