Comments on: Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/ China | Business | Economy | Internet | Technology Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:49:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Supernova 2008: Does the Gamers’ Disposition apply to Chinese Gamers? http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-8602 Supernova 2008: Does the Gamers’ Disposition apply to Chinese Gamers? Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:48:45 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-8602 [...] and China Vortex has some great posts about the sordid reality (and some more choice words here in part 2) of the Chinese internet cafe and by extension the Chinese internet [...] [...] and China Vortex has some great posts about the sordid reality (and some more choice words here in part 2) of the Chinese internet cafe and by extension the Chinese internet [...]

]]> By: adtech ile reklam 2.0 dönemi baþlýyor ve Trkycmhrytllbtpydrklcktr r10.net seo yarýþmasý http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2687 adtech ile reklam 2.0 dönemi baþlýyor ve Trkycmhrytllbtpydrklcktr r10.net seo yarýþmasý Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:11:59 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-2687 thanks, very good site thanks, very good site

]]> By: The China Game/The China Vortex | Top China Suppliers | Hand-selected China Suppliers http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-444 The China Game/The China Vortex | Top China Suppliers | Hand-selected China Suppliers Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:01:11 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-444 [...] Paul is very knowledgeable about China’s technology businesses and he does not pull punches. He has done a number of excellent (and somewhat controversial) posts on how China’s internet cafes are pretty worthless as marketing opportunities: “Digging Deeper About China’s Internet Usage,” “Biz Opportunities, Rolling Up and Franchising China’s Internet Cafes,” and “Shitholes and Firetraps, Part 2.” [...] [...] Paul is very knowledgeable about China’s technology businesses and he does not pull punches. He has done a number of excellent (and somewhat controversial) posts on how China’s internet cafes are pretty worthless as marketing opportunities: “Digging Deeper About China’s Internet Usage,” “Biz Opportunities, Rolling Up and Franchising China’s Internet Cafes,” and “Shitholes and Firetraps, Part 2.” [...]

]]> By: Des Walsh http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Des Walsh Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:45:08 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-214 Glad - and not surprised - to see Jeremiah pointing to his disclosure statement. I am a great admirer of his and always amazed at how much information he processes and shares. At the same time, having just returned from ad:tech Beijing and a couple of weeks wandering around Beijing and Shanghai, I feel there are many more layers to the story than any one person living in the West is likely to uncover easily. It was also instructive to compare the high-level conversation at ad:tech with the situation literally on the street. Yes, in Shanghai (and no doubt Beijing although not in the Forbidden City) there was Starbucks with free wireless, a block or two from the hotel, but I would have had to pay for and drink the coffee. And when we looked for an advertised internet cafe we discovered the sign, but the cafe had closed down. Oh, yes, there was free wireless at Kommune - and real coffee properly made - but I didn't have the laptop with me. There may of course be lots of internet cafes in Shanghai and Beijing - the fact that as a non-Chinese speaker I was not able to discover them doesn't of itself mean much. I now know there are huge numbers of people online and massive blogging and social networking, but I saw a lot more public Internet activity and provision of access in Manila several years ago than last week in Beijing or Shanghai. Glad – and not surprised – to see Jeremiah pointing to his disclosure statement. I am a great admirer of his and always amazed at how much information he processes and shares. At the same time, having just returned from ad:tech Beijing and a couple of weeks wandering around Beijing and Shanghai, I feel there are many more layers to the story than any one person living in the West is likely to uncover easily. It was also instructive to compare the high-level conversation at ad:tech with the situation literally on the street. Yes, in Shanghai (and no doubt Beijing although not in the Forbidden City) there was Starbucks with free wireless, a block or two from the hotel, but I would have had to pay for and drink the coffee. And when we looked for an advertised internet cafe we discovered the sign, but the cafe had closed down. Oh, yes, there was free wireless at Kommune – and real coffee properly made – but I didn’t have the laptop with me. There may of course be lots of internet cafes in Shanghai and Beijing – the fact that as a non-Chinese speaker I was not able to discover them doesn’t of itself mean much. I now know there are huge numbers of people online and massive blogging and social networking, but I saw a lot more public Internet activity and provision of access in Manila several years ago than last week in Beijing or Shanghai.

]]> By: China Law Blog http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-213 China Law Blog Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:15:34 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-213 <strong>Promising China Blogs: The China Game And The China Vortex...</strong> Two good new China blogs out there by two already pretty well known China hands. Paul Midler (who I believe coined the phrase China fade, referring to the diminishing quality of China products) has started a blog called The China Game. Paul has been in... Promising China Blogs: The China Game And The China Vortex…

Two good new China blogs out there by two already pretty well known China hands. Paul Midler (who I believe coined the phrase China fade, referring to the diminishing quality of China products) has started a blog called The China Game. Paul has been in…

]]> By: people » Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-187 people » Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:11:47 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-187 [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...] [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]

]]> By: internet » Blog Archive » Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-172 internet » Blog Archive » Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:45:18 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-172 [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...] [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]

]]> By: Product Reviews » Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-168 Product Reviews » Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:23:56 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-168 [...] The China Vortex wrote an interesting post today on Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2Here’s a quick excerpt In a previous article, I talked at some length about Jeremiah Owyang’s review of the current Internet situation in China, … my product management background here, but I actually like to see how users use a product Posted in The China Vortex ( 66 links from 45 sites) [...] [...] The China Vortex wrote an interesting post today on Shitholes and Firetraps Part 2Here’s a quick excerpt In a previous article, I talked at some length about Jeremiah Owyang’s review of the current Internet situation in China, … my product management background here, but I actually like to see how users use a product Posted in The China Vortex ( 66 links from 45 sites) [...]

]]> By: Jeremiah Owyang http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-167 Jeremiah Owyang Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:08:44 +0000 http://www.chinavortex.com/2007/10/shitholes-and-firetraps-part-2/#comment-167 I think we agree. I'm not sure if you read carefully, but on each one of my posts before I get into the examples I disclose the following: "Limitations Please note this field report is incomplete. I’ve neither the time nor resources to do thorough analysis, and do a 360 degrees research. The information and anecdotes collected are from interviews with those that I met. As always, a web strategy and plan should have thorough research completed before starting. If you disagree or have other data points to add (even if it’s just your own opinion, I welcome them in the comments, please don’t be shy)." Yup, you're right, you're echoing my concerns too. I also share your inquisitive fever to learn about China's web industry, and am expressing it on my blog. Given the time I had, I interviewed who I could, and pass one the message via my blog. I certainly welcome your feedback, and have just a bit of really important news to share. Just two weeks ago I joined a research firm, where I'm focused on Social Computing, and will have access to nearly limitless data, research, information, and qualitative info such as interviews, including China, HK, Asia, and the world. If you watch carefully, you'll see I'll start to get access and improve my research and out. Details of my move here: http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/08/27/pursuing-the-web-strategy-mission-as-a-forrester-analyst/ I think we agree. I’m not sure if you read carefully, but on each one of my posts before I get into the examples I disclose the following:

“Limitations
Please note this field report is incomplete. I’ve neither the time nor resources to do thorough analysis, and do a 360 degrees research. The information and anecdotes collected are from interviews with those that I met. As always, a web strategy and plan should have thorough research completed before starting. If you disagree or have other data points to add (even if it’s just your own opinion, I welcome them in the comments, please don’t be shy).”

Yup, you’re right, you’re echoing my concerns too. I also share your inquisitive fever to learn about China’s web industry, and am expressing it on my blog. Given the time I had, I interviewed who I could, and pass one the message via my blog.

I certainly welcome your feedback, and have just a bit of really important news to share. Just two weeks ago I joined a research firm, where I’m focused on Social Computing, and will have access to nearly limitless data, research, information, and qualitative info such as interviews, including China, HK, Asia, and the world. If you watch carefully, you’ll see I’ll start to get access and improve my research and out.

Details of my move here:
http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/08/27/pursuing-the-web-strategy-mission-as-a-forrester-analyst/

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